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I have beef with the education system

This is not new to my brain... but I work with a lady who used to be a teacher, and only left the work because there isn't work in this area that is full time for teachers... or enough to supply her with a job at the moment.

Here we go.

From kindergarden thru 8th grade we need to stop covering everything with candy. No one gets a free ride in this world, why are we raising them with one? Kids are slowly becoming less concerned about education or acting respectfully. Why? Because the system as its stands states that the child's needs come first. Now, I know your thinking 'but that is a good thing Joe!', and yes your right - to a point. The schools in America take it further than you probably think. Less and less children are being held back in school, not because they don't need it, but because it would be too traumatic for them. No more gold stars for getting all your home work done, on time and correct. Nope, you hand in any old piece of garbage, and you'll get a gold star. This is fucked up and wrong. This is not respecting our children's needs. This is TELLING them, "Its okay, you will get everything in life handed to you. You don't need to work for anything." And they are being told this for NINE YEARS. Granted, no kids should be held back in Kindergarden, but the mental molding does start there.

Here is my thoughts on problems that I see.

1 - Like any workplace, consultants are usually hired to tell others how to do their job. I'm guessing its the same with the school system. They, more than likely, hire a Child Psychologist or something to tell them how children react to the school environment. Problem. I have never seen or met a Child Psychologist or "Expert" that remembers what it is like to be a kid. They spew baloney and get paid. They believe what their are saying, but they are watching children as adults and reporting results. They don't have the heart of a child anymore, therefore know NOTHING of what it is like to BE a child anymore. (If anyone has hard facts on this let me know, I'm actually curious.)

2 - Children have behavior problems. In the past we could count on Nuns in Catholic school to lay down the law. Or at least some kind of punishment to hopefully straighten students out. This is also becoming less and less because of the issue of "Mental Trauma" or such. NO. Children need rules, and must learn to follow them; or else, as adults they still wont be used to following rules and probably be more prone to commit crimes. Just like they tell parents, your not a buddy, your their parent. Teachers should not be buddies. They should be looked up to and treated with respect by their students. Now, go ask teachers if that is true. More than likely it wont be true. Order must be maintained at school. Since a children spend more time in school with teachers than at home with parents, how are the parents supposed to be a total force of rule and punishment, the school must aid this. I'm not talking hitting either, but there needs to be punishment to corral bad behavior.

2a - I call to institute another kind of school for children that just can't behave. This one is geared more to straighten the kid out, and then teach. This would NOT be a prison. This would be a center were they are reinforced to get back to the school that referred them. In elementary school it wouldn't be hard at all here, it would basically be set the same structor but more aimed at eliminating bad behavior in class. Middle school, if a student arrives they have grown more and have more freedom of thought, but must remember there is a higharchy, and they are not near the top. High School -> throw the gloves off. These kids are practically in Juvinel Hall. If we don't straighten them out now, they will be problems after the forced education of America.

3 - Awards mean nothing if everyone gets them. Nuff said. If you don't earn it, you DON'T get it. You get all F, tough, you WILL take that grade over again. You didn't do a good job, TOUGH, no gold star. Your team didn't make it to the finals, let alone win... guess what, there's no participation award in life, maybe you should win next time. (your team wasn't good enough to win, practice on your own more and encourage your teammates to do the same)

4 - Lets think about the other countries KICKING OUR ASS in all kinds of STANDARIZED TESTS. Yes, we are more free for the kids than those countries, but guess who is going to be running the world soon unless we step up.... THEM!

5 - my wrist hurts.... maybe I'll continue later...

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sweet_mysterium
Oct. 5th, 2005 10:51 pm (UTC)
AMEN brother! Can we publish this somewhere!? I've been saying this for a long time. Kids have no morals, no respect, because it's gotten to the point that no one has the balls to teach them any anymore. The few that do get taught are told to fear concequence in punishment and to fear people rather than to look up to, and respect them, and make good decisions of their own. They'll just do things behind your back.

So schools give up, give them a pat on the head and move on? Cause now kids could prolly take you to court if you yell at them to loud. Not that yelling gets you anywhere, just pointing out how absured it's gotten.

Kids used to have many guardians. Their parents, their neighbors were their second parents. The teachers, the small town store owners knew the kids, the cops, everyone knew everyone and had adults were always keeping an eye on everyones kids. Now, most kids are lucky if they have two parents and even one teacher that gives a shit.





joe_black
Oct. 6th, 2005 02:45 am (UTC)
Amen to what you said as well.

It takes a community to raise a child. Its true.

But, if we doll everything up as a fantasy world that they can't be hurt, they can't do wrong, and everyone will do what they can for them... no one is going to have the morals and correct thought structor to survive in the real world... hell, even in college!

I didn't get into high school yet... that has a list of its own as well.
energyshifter
Oct. 6th, 2005 01:07 am (UTC)
Joe, I could not a agree more. Kids now are being held by the hand for way too long. I'm not saying that we need to stop offering help, but I think that there needs to be less books being published by those psychologist that preach how teachers have to be worried about a child's fragile view of self. There are even people who say that papers should be corrected in lavender pen and not red ink, because lavender is a more soothing color, and less harmful to the child's self esteem to have a paper covered in. If you as me, and F is still an F whether in lavender or red. Society is just getting crazy. But I don't think it is entirely the school system's or the teacher's fault. Force and discipline are not allowed in schools like they once were due to parents roles as well. So many parents now a days seem to feel that their child's eduction is a teachers responsibility, when really that are as much to blame. I don't know how many teachers have told me about parents calling them up and asking them, "why are you failing my son/daughter?", to which anyone in this profession will respond, "I am not failing them, they are failing THEMSELVES." In my district there have been parents who take their child's expulsion to the board of education to have to revoked. I am afraid the good old days are not going to come back unless parents (as a whole) start taking an active role in their child's education and discipline, and work with the school and not against it. As for me...I'm correcting in red pen.
joe_black
Oct. 6th, 2005 02:55 am (UTC)
"why are you failing my son/daughter?"

My friend who was a teacher, that I stated above, would have parents call her and tell her, "My child will not be failed."

and they wouldn't fail the child. Not because that was better for the child, but that the parents wouldn't allow it. I'm guessing because they remembered or think about the stimga that comes with having to do a grade over again... when the fact remains - Your chid will only fall more behind if you don't do something -

My friend also stated, that class structor is changing to be formatted to the lowest demonimator of intellect. HOW STUPID IS THAT? "So everyone can learn." BS, this keeps the smart ones from learning... the middle of the roaders get by fine and feel good about themselves... and the dumb as rocks make it by on the crutches the teacher has to create for them.

Arg... If only I were in charge! But who in their right mind would give me that power?
energyshifter
Oct. 6th, 2005 07:32 pm (UTC)
I know, we can just start our own school. I think within the people we know there would be enough teachers to do it. I'd work for you, Joe.
joe_black
Oct. 6th, 2005 07:40 pm (UTC)
well... first, I need income to pay you. Unless, you'll work for free until there are some kids to teach... until then we can play nintendo or something.
energyshifter
Oct. 6th, 2005 07:52 pm (UTC)
Sweet! Paid with Joe and Nintendo...Wait, will I have to write Nintendo lesson plans?
joe_black
Oct. 6th, 2005 07:53 pm (UTC)
ummm.... sure. Only if you want, but they must included classic Nintendo games.
zoegibson
Oct. 6th, 2005 04:41 am (UTC)
Think about society as a whole. A lot has changed in twenty years, back when I was a young'un.

When I was a little kid, I was taught to respect my elders, which meant everybody older than me. Grandma and grandpa, aunts, uncles, teachers, family friends, strangers. I did as I was told, and I didn't sass back.

In my childhood, even though both parents worked and ran a dairy farm, we sat down to dinner together and were tucked in at night. My brother and I both had chores and responsibilities, and a strong work ethic was etched into us both at a very young age. If my brother or I had problems, we were not afraid to talk to our parents. Even though they both worked very hard, there was never a time when one or the other was not there.

I think it's absolutely ridiculous to see yuppy soccer moms cart their kids around and be at the beck and call of their children. Give them allowance for doing nothing. Buy them their own computer, PS2, designer clothes, expensive toys, cell phones, etc. I feel these kind of parents, the ones who are at work too much and not with their family enough, try too hard to fill the void with objects. They're not there to lay the groundwork for a well-behaved child, which in turn affects everything else:

Your kid got detention for talking back to a teacher? GOOD! Let him take his punishment. He should know better. Oh, he failed because he didn't feel like studying? That's too bad! A big fat red F ought to behoove him to do a better job.

Hey, let's think for a moment. If a kid is going to fail, perhaps his parents are failing him.

< end rant >

joe_black
Oct. 6th, 2005 12:22 pm (UTC)
Your kid got detention for talking back to a teacher? GOOD! Let him take his punishment. He should know better. Oh, he failed because he didn't feel like studying? That's too bad! A big fat red F ought to behoove him to do a better job.

Hey, let's think for a moment. If a kid is going to fail, perhaps his parents are failing him.


uuuuh huh.

Parents not being parents is another very big piece of the puzzle here. But, compile the school system being stunted by these "professional parents" that don't raise their own children well enough to begin with... this equils crappy school system
dangerboyjon
Oct. 6th, 2005 01:29 pm (UTC)
Fun post there! In response to your points.

1. Consultants suck. I've dealt with them in the past at various jobs and it NEVER ended well. They set expectations too high on a job they are paid to observe, not do.

2. You are right. Children do need rules. They need these rules to understand that they cannot do whatever they want. That's why we have laws. Laws are nothing more than rules for adults. If children have no rules, what is to say they will follow the big kid rules?
I disagree on the buddy part. You can be both buddy and supervisor. You need to find the stable balance between the two. A teacher should be approachable. I am not saying have the teacher be everyone's best friend, but if a kid has earned some respect, feel free to give it. If they lose that respect, they will notice.

2a. I am not sure what exactly you are thinking of here that is not a Juvy Hall of some sort. If the kid is on the bad road to behavior and needs to be corrected, how is positive reinforcement going to help him/her? They need to understand that the behavior stops here and nothing short of that will be tolerated. I am not saying beat the kid either. There are ways to discipline without resorting to violence. All people need are food, clothing, and shelter to live. Everything else is bonus material. Some time alone in a empty room will help em out just good.

3. I agree with most of it. Bad production should not be rewarded. If you did good, then you may reap the benefits. If not, back to the drawing board. Everyone shouldn't have to work alone. If a kid does not understand something, someone can help them out. That is what a teacher is for: To help kids understand the world more. Parents can help with this too. I didn't like your analogy much for the team. A team needs to work together to get better. If everyone practices alone, you are not going to be able to build off each other. The Packers do not go to individual practices, they go to team practices. Granted they still suck right now but "together we stand, divided we fall."

4.Very true. We spend a lot of time trying to help everyone else out, but let our own country go to waste. Drop a few bombs, be done with it, then get back home and help little Billy not flunk his math test.

5. Stop doing that. It leads to blindness and hairy palms.
joe_black
Oct. 6th, 2005 03:28 pm (UTC)
In response to your #2. I had a teacher that was more buddy, buddy and I still respected him. Mainly because he had very high expectations when it came to the work we handed in. He would outright tell us what we wrote was crap. He graded harshly too. Yet, he was a very enjoyable teacher to have. Now, take away the part about the grading being though... now we had a buddy buddy teacher that is giving everyone A's and B's. This doesn't work. There has to be something that makes them higher on the scale than a friend.

2a. I know, I didn't get as much into this as I would have liked. I mean Juvy Hall as in, these are the high school kids that NEED to be shown how to act. This is no longer a letter to take home and parents to sign. This isn't conferences. This is like a military institution that will straighten the kids out and then also teach the basics of the grade they are in. This is still in the mentality to get them back into their original HS, not to send them to this place like a prison for the rest of their HS years. A teen should never spend more than one year in this place. If they do, they are a troublemaker in society as a whole, not just the local High School.

3. Yes teams should work together. But each individual must work on their own as well to become better. Blah blah blah, so I didn't make the best analogy. Still there should not be a participant award. Basically, if you suck... work to get better. Don't sugar coat things with a crappy green ribbon.

5. i was typing. really.
dangerboyjon
Oct. 6th, 2005 04:11 pm (UTC)
There needs to be a limit to how buddy the teacher is. Be a buddy to the kids, but a teacher to their work. Kids should not get a free ride through school. The teacher needs to grade appropriately. If the kid is going to fail, F*** the parents and fail the kid. Let the principal deal with the parents and you have done your job right. If the parents still have a problem, tell them you gave them an F in lieu of breaking fingers for wrong answers. Stupidity should hurt.
joe_black
Oct. 6th, 2005 04:33 pm (UTC)
Stupidity DOES hurt! It hurts all those around it.
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